al Games Developments: Olympics, World Cups, and Commonwealth Games with Rob Livingstone

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I am your host Knee Wallace Bruce.

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We are in the month of April.

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There are quite a few developments

in the sporting world relating to

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the Olympics, the World Cup and more.

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So we're gonna get into that

with friend of the show, Rob

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Livingston from games bids.com.

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Make sure you check out his work,

check him out on social media,

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at games bids, and also himself

at Livingston spelled backwards.

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Rob, how you doing?

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Rob: I am.

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Great, thanks.

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Thanks for having me on once again.

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PSP: It's a pleasure to have you back now.

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Rob, we have a new IOC President.

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It is Kirsty Coventry, the former

Olympic swimming champion, from Zimbabwe.

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She's going to be the first

female president in IOC history.

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Where does that leave the IOC?

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Moving forward now that Thomas

Buck has indeed retired.

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Rob: It's gonna be official for

her in June when Bach formally

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steps down and does the handover.

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But not really a far handover.

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It looks like she.

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It to be, or at least has been

positioned to carry on what Thomas Bock

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has been doing for the last 12 years.

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She has a lot of the same goals and

working with a lot of the same people.

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So I don't see a lot of

changes moving forward.

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Obviously, the looks a bit different

and it makes the organization

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look a little more progressive

now with a younger and a female.

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President, but I think the policies

and the direction of the IOC will

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remain pretty much on the same course.

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PSP: Okay.

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Interesting.

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Now, with that in mind , there's

a bit for her to, to get into when

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she takes over in June, what would

you say are the key priorities for

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her when she becomes president?

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Officially?

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Rob: There, there are a number

of things that and once again,

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continuing on with box Legacy.

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I focus closely on the bids and,

that's gonna be a big part of it.

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Lots of cities and countries

lining up for the: 2036

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That's gonna be.

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On the table and something

to be dealt with fairly soon.

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There's all kinds of things like gender

equity and anti-doping the Russia issue

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ideas about paying athletes to compete.

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There's a lot of things going

on and it'll be interesting

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to see how she digs into them.

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I can't see a real standout but

it's gonna be a lot for her to do.

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PSP: Now you touched on 2036.

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For our listeners who may not

be aware, the: 2028

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will be held in Los Angeles.

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We're gonna get to that a bit later on.

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2032 will be held in

sunny Brisbane, Australia.

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2036 though is up for grabs.

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The bids are coming in, there's

discourse amongst potential hosts.

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What are we seeing with the

potential summer 20, 36 bids?

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Rob?

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Rob: We don't have any kind of timeline.

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That's the way the IOC works.

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They just decide what they want to do

when having said that, the number is

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double digits of interested parties

looking to host a future Olympics.

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And obviously some of those are 2036.

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A number of those are gonna be 2036.

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They're already working

and having discussions.

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It's the most prominent

spoken about one is India.

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They've been working on

it for a couple years.

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They're the most vocal about it.

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And I think Kirsty Coventry being the

new IOC President bodes well for India

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because she's got a great relationship.

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With prominent people there and it looks

like it could go in that direction.

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But of course, we can't overlook Saudi

Arabia, Qatar both really interested

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in moving forward with a bid.

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And there's been a lot of discussion

within the IOC recently about.

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Relaxing the summertime

calendar for the summer game.

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So the prime months of July and August

they say due to climate change, that

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those months may not be good anymore.

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Maybe too hot for most places,

and they talk about pushing it

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into the fall, September, October.

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But I think that's more about

leaving the window open for Saudi

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Arabia and Qatar, which, they've

bid in the past do bid in: 2016

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And they were left off the short

list because they proposed the

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games in October and the IOC said,

Nope, we want it in July and August.

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Now they're looking to relax that.

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Paints a whole new picture

for the bid process.

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We've got other cities involved

too, who are looking forward to it.

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Istanbul once again, they've been

unsuccessful five times, although

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they're having political issues there

now, which might discount that bid.

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There's Budapest is

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That.

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to it.

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There's Indonesia.

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South Korea and some other

bids there that are lining up.

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It should be interesting.

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PSP: Mm, absolutely.

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Now, another development

that happened recently was.

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The signing of a new

broadcast deal by NBC.

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Now, NBC is fairly influential when it

comes to the Olympics, winter and summer.

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But the point you raise about

the calendar shifting to the

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summer Olympics is interesting.

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'cause if we shifted to say October,

November, December, that is smack

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bang in the middle of the NFL

season, which is also a significant.

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Earner for NBC with their

Sunday night football coverage.

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How would NBC feel about the

Olympics potentially happening

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in the middle of the NFL season?

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Could that be an issue?

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Rob: That's a great point.

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Now keep in mind that's 2036.

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So we're looking at 11 years from now.

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What will they do?

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Will they even have a contract with the

NFL or the other sports at that point?

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Maybe not.

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Can they shift things

around That's possible.

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We have to remember that

the way people consume.

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Sports on television or whatever

kind of platform they use

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is changing rapidly, right?

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The whole concept of.

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TV schedules and watching things

in prime time and that kind

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of thing, it's out the window.

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So I think the broadcasters and the

streaming platforms and all of those have

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the ability to adjust, especially over

the next 11 years to make something work.

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Maybe they'll work with the leagues

if like for instance, the NFL, if they

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were to decide to have a contract, a

television contract with them that year.

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Obviously having several years

notice will help there and I think,

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we're gonna have a decision on 2036

in the next possibly year or two.

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So I think it's something that can

be worked out, but obviously it's

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going to be a concern off the top.

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PSP: And it is worth noting

the NBC will be broadcasting

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the NBA in the next season.

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So 11 years away, I'm sure there's

enough time for the partners to

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work together with IOC on that.

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But you raised an interesting point

about prime time because growing up I

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grew up with the Sydney Olympics and the

times of some of the sports there were

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adjusted and the same scene in Beijing

to a lesser extent to accommodate.

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The North American market

primarily through NBC.

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Do you think now that we have

streaming services like Peacock

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and others, that this will be

relaxed for: 2032

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Rob: You're asking about the

scheduling, the events to accommodate

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the United States viewers.

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They continue to do that.

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I know that there was a concern for

LA 28 the Cricket tournament, which is

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primarily aimed at viewers in India.

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They were thinking about changing

the location of it the East coast

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of the United States to better

accommodate Indian viewers.

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I, I don't know if that

makes a difference.

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They can have Cricket matches anytime

and try to accommodate Indian viewers.

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And I think those viewers will

watch it anytime the day anyways.

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They'll be so excited

to see that tournament.

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they've accommodated viewers as recently

as in Tokyo and Beijing for the summer

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and winter games the last few years.

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Who knows how things are gonna change

over the next 10 years, whether people,

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cons, how they consume it, and whether

that's an issue, whether people care

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if they, watch a, some kind of metal

event at eight in the morning as

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opposed to 9:00 PM all those things.

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Things are changing so rapidly,

it's really hard to tell.

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PSP: Yeah, watch this space.

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Rob: Yeah.

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PSP: It'd be interesting

to see how it plays out..

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I'm looking forward to the return of

cricket to the Summer Olympics after.

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A hundred plus years of

absence, it's gonna be great.

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And I would, I would definitely

wake up to, to watch this, the 16th

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tournament when it rolls around.

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So definitely looking forward to that.

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Now, one thing that many cloud things

when thinking about the: 2028

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2034 Winter Games, salt Lake City, the

rld Cup next year for the men: 2026

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The Women's World Cup,

that'll be in the us.

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Down the line is the

geopolitical situation.

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Can you see that being a factor for these

upcoming games, particularly in the us?

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Rob: Talking about rapid change

there's nothing changing more rapidly

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than the political situation in the

United States and, among its allies

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and so it's really hard to tell.

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Obviously LA 28 is going to be at the

tail end of, trump's administration.

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So there will be an impact.

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And the main impact there, I

think will be the immigration.

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And whether these athletes can travel to

the country to, to compete as promised

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and as guaranteed the country is

guaranteed through the host agreement.

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So that's yet to be seen.

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That's gonna be very critical.

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And if something happens with LA that

might reflect poorly on salt Lake

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City for 2034 even though at that

point there likely would be a new

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administration I don't pretend to

be a political expert in that area.

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Things change by the day.

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Obviously there's gonna be some

concern because we don't know

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which way it's gonna change.

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But I think somehow things

will smooth over somehow.

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It'll work out, it usually does.

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But we'll just have to hope for the best.

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PSP: Now there has a precedent where,,

FIFA has stepped in to amend hosts.

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Based on uncertain conditions.

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Has the IOC ever done anything like that?

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Rob: obviously there were wartime changes.

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The I think it was.

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19, the 1940 Olympics

obviously were canceled.

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I think they were to take place

in Tokyo obviously due to the war.

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So there were wartime

changes in: 1940

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But other than that and obviously

the recent delay of the Tokyo

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2020 games because of Covid.

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Other than that not any significant

change that I can recall.

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PSP: Okay, well hopefully that continues.

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Continuity.

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Yes.

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It's great to see the world come

together, and sport is definitely one

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of the ways that we can come together

and celebrate the goodness of humanity.

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Now, another thing that brings us

together is the football, the round

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ball game that's coming to a city

near you in North America when Mexico,

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the United States and our own Canada

host the Men's World Cup in: 2026

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There's.

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The US could essentially host

the, the World Cup tomorrow.

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They, they don't need to do a

whole lot with their stadiums.

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I know in Canada there are

upgrades happening in Toronto.

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There, there are also some

renovations happening in Mexico.

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Using your experience with the Olympics

as well, how important is the, the

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legacy aspect when hosting such

games for a city and or a country?

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Rob: It's interesting in in North America

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PSP: America.

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Rob: World Cup football, soccer,

whatever you want to call it

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in this context is growing.

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Obviously not at the level it

is in the rest of the world.

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So this will be critical

as far as a legacy of.

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Of young people participating and having

an interest professional matches and

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attending and watching on TV and streaming

it and tho those sorts of things.

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That's going to be a critical

legacy for the: 2026

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If you look at infrastructure

don't believe, I mean in

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Canada and Toronto, the.

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Additional seating to the

stadium is just temporary.

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So there's really no physical legacy.

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Obviously upgrades in Mexico will be

beneficial there, but Mexico already

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has a thriving soccer community there,

so that's not an issue for them.

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And, the most important legacy,

I think is just the growth of

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the sport in North America.

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And more just, letting a match under it

because it's already starting to move.

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It's already starting to grow,

and I think this will just help,

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push it even that much further.

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PSP: For sure.

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As someone who lives in the greater

Toronto area, would you like to see

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more done in terms of a legacy project?

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You mentioned the stadium.

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I believe it has been amended

from the original plan.

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We can talk about that another day

'cause I have many thoughts on that.

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But do you feel like, particularly

thinking about the way the: 2015

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PanAm games led to some project for

sport, do you feel like there should

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be more done in terms of legacy

projects for the city of Toronto?

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Rob: I don't think, it would

be great someone that enjoys

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sport and likes to see grow and

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Road and I,

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in my own community I

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PSP: uh,

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But I don't think.

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Rob: a political will to do anything.

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There's a lot of emphasis especially

in Toronto and cutting costs and that

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kind of thing, and there's a concern.

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Of, how much is already being spent.

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A lot of people resent that the games or

the World Cup is actually coming here.

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Yeah, it'd be great to see more

legacy projects, but I really

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don't think we should be expecting

anything significant to come.

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PSP: I'll continue to dream.

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Let's talk about the Women's World Cup.

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the bids were locked in for 20 31, 20 35.

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We're gonna see the US hosting

and the US has been a leader in,

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in women's soccer for a while.

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The team's, I guess, going through a

little bit of a rebuild on the field,

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but off the field, they're good to go.

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In terms of hosting, what do you

see when it comes to: 2031

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2035 for the Women's World Cup?

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Rob: It's gonna continue the growth.

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I think that the in United States

anyways, and potentially, I think if

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that tournament grows, they said it's

gonna grow to 48 teams for the women.

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They could also hold matches in Mexico

the Caribbean and even possibly Canada.

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, They didn't.

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Describe exactly how they

would expand that tournament.

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But those are possibilities.

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But once again I think it'll

just continue with the growth

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that the 2026 men's tournament

will, push and start to develop.

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Really it's just continue the.

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Growth.

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Obviously the women's for both Canada and

the United States are, top in the world.

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So there doesn't need to be a lot

more grassroots activity to get

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young people involved, but it's only

gonna help generate more interest.

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And maybe there'll be, more

interested in professional leagues

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here and that kind of thing.

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So just more of that.

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PSP: It'll be interesting to see how the,

the format of, that World Cup tournament

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goes, because as you mentioned, there

is potentially increase to 48 teams to,

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to match the men's tournament, which

will be the first World Cup at 48 teams.

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I think.

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I think it's good to, to

have more teams involved.

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2026 will be a litmus test

though in terms of meaningful

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games and competitive parity.

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Nevertheless, let's give it a try.

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Let's see what happens.

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I would love to see Canada involved

in: 2031

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Canada has a professional women's

league the Northern Super League.

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It's perfect timing, but.

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I have to see if Canada's soccer can

come to the party, if there might be

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some state support for that as well.

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Questions to be asked in the meantime,

I guess, of the next few years.

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But Rob, there was also some interest

from Canada, for the Commonwealth Games.

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We have the Centenary

games coming up in: 2030

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What are we seeing there?

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'cause I believe it's Canada,

Nigeria, and India involved.

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Is that right?

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Rob: Yeah it's a developing situation.

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Canada's always been hinting around.

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2030 Commonwealth Games.

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It's that, centenary edition where

it was first held in Hamilton as

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a British Empire Games Hamilton's

been sniffing around those games

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for quite some time, but ultimately

turned it down as being too costly.

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Even having an exclusive shot

at: 2026

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But now since Glasgow took over the 2026.

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Games and we'll be delivering

kind of a light version.

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Suddenly other areas are getting

more interested because it's more

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economical, it's more feasible and

they can have a larger footprint.

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So that's what's happening in Canada here.

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Hamilton wants to be involved,

but they're not gonna do it

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themselves and Ontario and other

municipalities and places in Ontario.

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want to get involved as well,

but Ontario doesn't wanna do it.

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On its own either.

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They didn't bid for 2026

because the provincial

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government didn't wanna fund it.

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Especially during the World Cup year.

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events could be spread across Canada.

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Canada's a big country.

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I'm not sure exactly

how that's gonna work.

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Other provinces are interested.

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But that might be the only way

a bid from Canada successful.

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We have Nigeria Abuja bid, I believe

for: 2014

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And they're.

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Trying again.

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That will be interesting.

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And India definitely they're in it.

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It's part of their overall project

to, prepare for an eventual Olympics.

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I think they're still looking

at the: 2030

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Maybe instead the 2030

Commonwealth Games or maybe both.

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They might have the capacity to do that.

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The only concern there is when they

hosted in: 2010

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were considered less than ideal.

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There was some corruption there,

there were delays in construction.

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A lot of headaches there.

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So whether they can get past

that or not, we'll have to see.

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And Commonwealth Sport said,

they'll decide by the end of

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the year where it's gonna go.

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PSP: Over the last hundred years

of Commonwealth Gains Action,

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we've seen many champions.

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One of those champions was

in fact, Kessie Coventry.

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She won gold in 2002 from

memory in Manchester.

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Does it help in any way, shape or

form that she's the IOC President?

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Does that help the Commonwealth

Gangs movement at all?

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Rob: I don't really see any benefit there.

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Obviously the Commonwealth

Games are part of the, larger

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umbrella that the IOC administers.

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But I don't see any direct

connection where she can help.

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Yeah, it'd be interesting to see if she

ever does do anything, but I don't think

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there's any, real connection there.

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PSP: Fair enough.

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I must submit, like you are

very interested in seeing, what

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she does when she takes on the.

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The post of present in June.

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I'm sure there's a lot to look forward

to in terms of her direction, her vision,

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but we'll have to watch this space.

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In the meantime, there'll be plenty

of sport to watch and there'll be

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plenty of updates on bids and the like.

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Rob, why don't you remind our audience

once again where they can find your work?

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Rob: They can come to games bids.com.

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Obviously that's a website

where I publish most of my work.

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And, the usual social media channels

you mentioned at Off the Top at Games

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bids on on x, on Instagram, on blue Sky.

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Now, else are we?

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YouTube?

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Not so much there, but

or my personal account.

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You also mentioned that off the top

you pronounced it very well, IL I think

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PSP: Nice.

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Rob: living stone backwards on X.

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And those are the main

places to find my work.

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PSP: There we go.

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Fantastic.

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And that's the final word from

rob Livingston of games bids.com.

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Definitely check out his work,

make sure you read and I.

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You'll definitely be smarter for finding

out more about the games, bids, movements,

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and more across sports and the beyond.

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This is another episode of PSP.

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I'm your host, Neil.

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Bruce, wishing you well

and be safe out there